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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/27/us/27abortion.html?_r=1

“The purpose of this type of bill is to focus on the humanity of the unborn child,” said Mary Spaulding Balch, director of state legislation for the National Right to Life Committee. “Fetal pain is something that people who are in the middle on the abortion issue can relate to.”

based on the theory that the fetus can feel pain at that point — a notion disputed by mainstream medical organizations in the United States and Britain.

SO IF WE FUCKING LIE ABOUT IT THEN PEOPLE WHO ARE UNCERTAIN WILL BE ON OUR SIDE.

FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU.

FUCK YOU.



I am so much closer to be pissed off enough to do a metastudy showing that being against abortion promotes death. I know I can prove it with birth control.

GENERAL DISCUSSION POINT: HOW MUCH VICODIN CAN WE GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE FETUS BEFORE IT SHUTS DOWN AND THEN WE CAN AVOID THIS BULLSHIT.

Date: 2011-06-28 01:27 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] omens.livejournal.com
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Date: 2011-06-28 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaypornninja.livejournal.com
MY CREDIT CARD SOMEHOW HAS FALLEN OUT OF MY BAG AND IS ENTERING ITSELF INTO THE WEBSITE. OH NOES.

Date: 2011-06-28 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] camshaft22.livejournal.com
FUCKING SHIT!

GOD, THESE MOTHERFUCKERS HAVE NO FUCKING SENSE AT ALL!!!

BULLSHIT!

THEY DON'T FEEL BECAUSE THEY AREN'T SENTIENT AS OF YET!

FUCK THEM!

Date: 2011-06-28 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaypornninja.livejournal.com
I'm actually a little curious by their definition of a human life as without a cerebral cortex...There argument seems to be that since the pain receptors are in place they feel pain whether the receptors have an upper cortex to plug into or not. Which makes no sense!

I am mostly disgusted by the fact that these people act like people in their 20+ week of pregnancy have abortions for the hell of it INSTEAD OF 99.9% OF THESE ABORTIONS BEING BECAUSE THEY ARE A DANGER OR THE BABY IS FUCKING DEAD OR DYING.

It's gross and inhuman to treat someone like they can't decide what to do with their own fucking bodies or how to handle their health and I can't figure out what they propose to get out of this other than to control women and idk punish them for not having perfect genetics? If I see another "baby" "alive" with nothing but a brain stem I am seriously going to start setting things on fire.

Date: 2011-06-28 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] camshaft22.livejournal.com
I talked to the protestors outside the Planned Parenthood place just a few weeks ago.

They really believe that all women are FORCED to abort their children, that it's all just to control women and keep them under men's thumbs. It's all this big agenda.

Which isn't true.

Most women agonize over this. It's not a choice just for laughs. It's a serious decision and they are in control. I'm sure some could be forced or whatever but still.

This is a not murder like they say.

Date: 2011-06-28 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaypornninja.livejournal.com
They really believe that all women are FORCED to abort their children, that it's all just to control women and keep them under men's thumbs. It's all this big agenda.

That's ironic.

In all honesty, it wouldn't matter so much if it was. We can't take care of the influx of children and especially children who would have serious medical needs their entire lives that would come about if we had no abortions. On top of which, the increase in women dying in childbirth would increase by a huge margin, medical costs for childbirth would skyrocket, etc...and most of the children would be dumped on the state or born to indifferent parents and then the crime rate would go up and in the long run we'd end up with child gangs roaming the street probably.

I'm not sure why it's being fault as a moral issue when not allowing it would actually cause a huge number of problems that would result in a lower quality of life for everyone. That seems a lot more immoral to me. I am sure there are women who are threatened into abortions, but given the sheer amt. of crap you have to overcome now I'd say that number is pretty low.

Date: 2011-06-28 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] camshaft22.livejournal.com
I agree. We can't feed all that we have already. We are facing overpopulation already and a lack of resources.

My Mom didn't want me. I ended up living with my Grandma that didn't want me either. Then when she died, I ended up in an abusive home. Because no one wanted me.

I figured as much. She was weird and kinda zealous in her beliefs. I tried to tell her how much good having this available was but I was wrong, yatta yatta yatta.

Date: 2011-06-28 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spyderqueen.livejournal.com
They really believe that all women are FORCED to abort their children, that it's all just to control women and keep them under men's thumbs. It's all this big agenda.

The irony in that just staggered me. Literally. I kind of rolled back from the computer and just gaped for a little while.

Date: 2011-06-28 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] camshaft22.livejournal.com
I know. I had a lot of trouble keeping a straight face.

Date: 2011-06-28 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merelymine.livejournal.com
I AGREE WITH ALL THOSE FUCK YOUS SO, SO MUCH. >:(((((

THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH ANGRY FACES IN THE WORLD.

SO IF WE FUCKING LIE ABOUT IT THEN PEOPLE WHO ARE UNCERTAIN WILL BE ON OUR SIDE.

I'm not sure, but I think this is generally indicative of how the republican party works. "Oh, under educated people and conservatives aren't sure if something's okay or not? Well, let's make up shit and bring Jesus into it so we can get their votes!"

Bunch of fucking scumbags. And I feel terrible for that couple referenced in the article, no one should have to go through something like that.

Date: 2011-06-28 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] downloadable08.livejournal.com
FLAMESONTHESIDEOFMYFACE.gif

On the other hand, I always love having another article to have in my "reproductive rights" arsenal that I can whip out and use to say, "See, THIS."

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